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Electrolyzed Water?

Looks like there is a new invention making the rounds. Its a new miracle cleaner! And it makes “electrolyzed water”! It works better than chlorine! Its safe to drink! Its good for the environment! It will cure cancer! It will eliminate starvation is poverty stricken countries.

Alright, I got a little carried away. But you can guess that when I saw the claims being made, maybe I was a bit piqued and what the heck they were talking about.

So here is the story. One thing I will not do in this post is evaluate how good of a cleaner it is. While the entire story is about how a housecleaning staff as a hotel thinks its great stuff, they at least tried it and I have not. However, unlike the housecleaning staff, I know what it is and apparently they do not.

What is amazing to me is they they actually describe, in detail, exactly what this stuff is but then continue to refer to it as electrolyzed water.

Here is their description:

It turns out that zapping salt water with low-voltage electricity creates a couple of powerful yet nontoxic cleaning agents. Sodium ions are converted into sodium hydroxide, an alkaline liquid that cleans and degreases like detergent, but without the scrubbing bubbles. Chloride ions become hypochlorous acid, a potent disinfectant known as acid water.

So, depending on which side you take you electrolyzed water from, you are either cleaning with Hydrochlorous Acid or sodium hydroxide. These chemicals are pretty familiar to many of us. Hydrochlorous acid is the active agent for chlorine when you put it in your pool. It certainly kills bacteria as any pool owner knows as long as the concentration of it is high enough.

Sodium hydroxide is a powerful alkaline when made into a aqueous solution. Its what is in Drano to clear pipes, its used as paint stripper and other uses that requires a strong reaction to take place. It also happens to be a key component in the making of biodiesel. All of these happen in high enough concentrations.

I am trying to make clear that, like all chemicals, its not just the chemical itself that is important, its the concentration also. You can water down pure cyanide enough for it to not be dangerous to you at all (which is why homeopathy is such a joke).

As for its use: well first off, they never make clear in the article (or other ones) which water is being used, there are three sources. There is the sodium hydroxide side, the midle salt water, and the hydrochlorous acid side. I think the idea is to take the latter for disinfecting and then use the sodium hydroxide solution for degreasing. The benefits of hydrochlorous acid is fairly well known, so there is not an extraordinary claim there. Sodium hydroxide could certainly be a degreaser. However, they claim that you can drink it.

Patrick Lucci, Electrolyzer's vice president of marketing, likes to bombard prospects with scientific studies, then give 'em the old razzle-dazzle. He'll swig the processed salt water before he mops the floor with it.
"Try that with bleach," he said.

So what concentration are we really talking about here? Further, how are they assessing its effectiveness?

"I didn't believe in it at first because it didn't have foam or any scent," said housekeeper Flor Corona. "But I can tell you it works. My rooms are clean."

Sorry Flor, but unless you actually swabbed your tub or sink before and after you cleaned with it and then had it analyzed, you really have no idea if its any cleaner than using plain old water or nothing at all.

So, this may not be total nonsense, but they way they are presenting it surely is. The cleaning agent isnt water any more than the ammonia you buy is, which is also a very low concentration of ammonia gas dissolved in water.  If the hydrochlorous acid is strong enough to clean with, its probably not that great to drink, same with the sodium hydroxide side. Neither side are probably that great for continued use on metal which tends to be susceptible to tarnish when exposed to acids and bases, which is why soap is a good cleaner, as it is relatively neutral.


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I'm pretty sure the stuff is safe to drink. Water in the neutral pH range can't be electrolysed very well, so it really isn't forming any HCl or NaOH. Furthermore, any HCl or NaOH present in the solution would react very quickly, and only the one originally in excess would remain. This product is essentially a scam-- expensive saline solution.
1 reply · active 407 weeks ago
Thanks for commenting. Well of course I agree that it is a scam. However not for the reason you mention. There is no reason that the reaction they claim to take place won't happen, it only takes 1.23 volts to electrolyze water, and the salt provides a current path. Low molarity solutions of both NaOH and HClO (Not HCl) are stable enough to remain in the solution for some time when used to clean. The NaOH solution and HClO solutions are separate, and I don't really see a reason why the ions wouldn't be dragged over to the appropriate electrode and diffuse across as they claim. However, the concentration is so low to start with that the stuff is drinkable, and therefore quite useless.

I think its a scam too, but not because the chemical reaction they claim doesn't take place. I think its a scam because no one is checking whether or not it really cleans and disinfects in the concentrations it creates.
1 reply · active 517 weeks ago
Electrolyzed water effective as chemical cleaner, study finds
By Ahmed ElAmin, 31-Jan-2006

Related topics: Quality & Safety

Scientific tests confirm that electrolyzed oxidizing water can replace the chemicals used for cleaning equipment in the food industry.

The market for electrolyzed oxidizing water is currently small due to the difficulties and expense involved in the process. However, manufacturers of the electrolysis machines needed for the process sell it as a safer less harsh way of keeping food factories free of infectious pathogens. Chemicals can corrode or damage the equipment used in food factories.

In research published last week, scientists at Penn State University say electrolyzed water technology can be used as a replacement for the chemicals used to clean and disinfect milking equipment.

"It is not as expensive as the detergents, and can be made with just a little bit of salt and water," stated Ali Demirci, associate professor of agricultural and biological engineering at Penn State and leader of the team doing the study.

The findings are published in the December 2005 issue of Transactions of the American Society of Agricultural Engineers.
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paul weeks · 804 weeks ago

Hi
I agree being a sceptic is sometimes wise, however I use Hypochlorous acid in my food factory and at home (2yr shelf life) made by a company called Aqualution in the Uk.
thanks
Paul Weeks
Wicken Fen Wholesome Foods
1 reply · active 804 weeks ago
I believe this article explains the difference between onsite generated Hypochlorous Acid and usage of Gaseous Chlorine or Sodium Hypochorite.

http://aquaox.wordpress.com/category/hypochlorous...

I agree, a lot of the claims made on the internet are bogus. Having said so, the science is little by little proving that Electrolyzed Water has its merits. 10 years ago, scientist did not wanted to hear about it at all. Now, Electrolyzed Water is being researched on many universities around the world. Having said so, one of the biggest problem in this industry is that Electrolyzed Water is not clearly defined. When talking about Electrolyzed Water, it is crucial to know the following:
a) pH
b) Oxidation-Reduction-Potential (ORP), measured in Millivolts
c) Free Available Chlorine (FAC), measured in ppm
d) Conductivity or TDS, measured as ppt.
e) date of production (Electrolyzed Water should be produced and used onsite for optimal results.)

Without knowing the above, one cannot make any sanitizing or disinfecting claim.
My experience is people should take the time to really test the effectiveness before saying whether it really is an effective alternative to chemcials or not. Someone in the food industry...have you tested the water and its effectiveness. That should squelch it and we would all know for a surety of its effectiveness...or lack thereof!

So far i here opinions...not facts!
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